History of Kalachakra and Shambhala in Mongolia

Tanya Nie:

Hello everyone and welcome to today’s talk

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with Vesna Wallace on the history of Kalachakra and Shambhala in Mongolia.

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So firstly I will do a little bit of an intro of the upcoming Mongolia trip.

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And then introduce Vesna.

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And so in preparation for the upcoming Mongolia trip, the much anticipated Mongolia trip.

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And very fortunate to have Vesna Wallace talk about the the history of Kalachakra and Shambhala

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in Mongolia today.

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So, but firstly, those looking for translations in their languages today,

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we do have Mongolian on the Mongolian channel.

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Our other language translators, because
they’re not familiar with the material today,

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have opted to translate orally afterwards.
So it will be available after today’s talk for you.

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So the Mongolia trip was organized or
has wanted to go ahead for the last three years.

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But due to, you know the world situation,
we’re finally in a position this year in 2 22

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to move forward with this in August.

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A 6-day trip which Vesna will be part of.

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So we are still accepting interest and applications for the tour, the trip.

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So Chloe will put the details of how you can get

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you know you can book, or find out
more information in the chat for everyone as well.

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So just as a short introduction of the trip the pilgrimage will begin in the beautiful forest

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of Ulaanbaatar where Khentral Rinpoche will bestow the Kalachakra empowerment.

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Then Vesna Wallace will guide through
the teachings and stories about

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Mongolia’s rich spiritual tradition, into the
Gobi desert to meet with the Shambhala oracle.

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And then we’ll move to
the Gobi desert and Shambhala land

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which is considered to be an energy portal symbolically linked to the sublime realm

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of Kalachakra.

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So for students who are qualified

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Khentrul Rinpoche will also bestow the higher empowerments of Kalachakra

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as well as the transmission of the Three Isolations practice.

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And he will give teachings on the
Six Vajra Yogas throughout the retreat.

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For Kalachakra practitioners, this trip is has significant connections with Kalachakra

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as they will visit to the Shank Monastery

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where the reincarnation of the Jonang master Jetsun Taranatha and the first Jetsun Dhampa where.

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So now I will introduce Vesna Wallace.

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So Vesna is a senior professor of religious studies at the university of California, in Santa Barbara.

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Her field of specialization is in Indian, Mahayana and Vajrayana Buddhist traditions

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and Mongolian Buddhism.

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Vesnar has authored and translated four books related to Indian Buddhism,

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three of which pertain to the
Kalachakra tantric tradition in India.

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Published and edited on Mongolian Buddhism, entitled “Buddhism in Mongolian History Culture and Society”.

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And more than 7 articles on Indian and Mongolian forms of Buddhism.

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Her most recent book is just currently in the press by Oxford University Press

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is an edited volume titled “Sources of Mongolian Buddhism”.

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And her forthcoming co-authored book

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is “The Text image and Imagination in Mongolian Buddhist Rituals”,

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which will be published by Columbia
University Press.

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I’d now like to introduce Vesna. So welcome Vesna with us today. We’re so happy to have you here.

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Thank you.

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So Vesna, you will start with

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a lecture on the history of Kalachakra
in Mongolia. Its connections to Shambhala

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and how Mongolians understand Shambhala

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So we welcome you and please, please begin.

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Thank you for organizing this event, and also I know how much work it takes to organize the

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retreat and travel. Many people are
involved so I’m grateful to everyone.

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Here and in Mongolia in the UK who have been working on this.

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So today, actually this book that you mentioned that’s currently in press,

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my section of the book is almost exclusively actually on Karachakra and Shambhala.

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Okay.

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That pertains to Mongolia

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and a friend of mine who is publishing second part of a book, also, in many ways makes references

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to Kalachakra and Shambhala in Mongolia from a historical perspective.

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So maybe later when it’s out, some of you may be interested.

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Can you hear me well?

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Yes, yes thank you.

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So I will speak not long about history because also we don’t know yet

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a full history, because this is something that still has to be researched.

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But I will give some snippets of it. And then I will focus on some

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perspective that Mongolian authors and Buddhists have had of particularly Shambhala.

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Because Rinpoche asked me to talk about that and

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also in relation to how he teaches
what Shambhala is.

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So in briefly just to

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mention that it is already since the time
of Yuan empire, which Mongolian empire

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you know the 3th century, that Mongols already showed interest in the Kalachakra tradition.

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And that interest since then, has been closely related to the concerns for rebirth Shambhala.

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During the Yuan period Mongol courts saw the legend of Shambhala as a (?) for their political

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legitimation among the Mongols and their Tibetan allies.

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And since then Mongolian nobles and Lamas sought to break their provinces and monasteries

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into the Shambhala lineage.

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So historically, Kalachakra initiation in Mongolia itself were very rare

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and the reason for that is because they were expensive.

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So then during the Qing period, a few selected Mongolian Lamas,

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who were selected by governors of their provinces, often it was a two of them within a single province

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who was sent to India, sorry to Tibet, to receive Kalachakra initiations there.

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And upon their return they were giving a vajra ring to wear,

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it was a symbol of somebody who has received the Kalachakra initiation

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and they were also considered as
bearers of Kalachakra blessings, so

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in the Mongolian view, whoever has received Kalachakra initiation

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wherever that person go, in what environment is, is kind of sharing,

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emanating the blessing, Kalachakra blessings in their environment.

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Therefore, those Lamas who were sent for initiations were not allowed to travel to other provinces.

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Because the governor spent money and now want to keep these blessings within one’s own province.

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But also, those Lamas who received this initiation in Tibet, they were excused from paying taxes

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to the (?). So also for this reason they
had to stay within their provinces.

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After the Qing period, which lasted for 2 years,

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with the formation then of the autonomous Mongolian national state in 2 7,

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which, at which the first, not the first sorry, the seventh Jetsun Dhampa became

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the eighth. What am I talking?! Sorry. The eighth Jetsun Dhampa was the holder of state and religion.

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But also at the wake of communist revolution

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a strong interest in the Kalachakra traditionally re-emerged among Mongolians

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and the Kalachakra initiations then became more available

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with the first large initiation and probably the last in 93 .

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Also Panchen Lama traveled to Mongolia especially to inner Mongolia

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and this is where also Lamas
from outer Mongolia would receive initiations

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and there were times when they were called there during revolution and couldn’t come.

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Come back.

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But it was really Panchen Lama, 7th Panchen Lama who was disseminating also Kalachakra among Mongols.

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From the 8th, then through the
early 2 th centuries

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renowned Mongolian scholastics composed aspirational prayers,

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sadhanas, manuals and transference of consciousness practices

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and various other ritual texts and manuals intended for securing the rebirth in Shambhala.

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Mongolian monastic scholastics, tulkus

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and yogis who sought to establish their own connection with the Shambhala lineage were many.

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And among the various oral accounts of Mongolia Lamas who endeavored

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to establish such connection with
Shambhala is 5th Noyen Khutugtu Danzanravjaa,

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whose place was monastery and who Shambhala
portal we are going to visit.

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May I for briefly just show you photos of it?

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Of course please, yes.

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And then I will come back to my lecture, if I can

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…be able to share the screen.

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Thank you. Let me just find the…

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So this is like a modern portrait of Danzanravjaa. We don’t know exactly how he looked.

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But here is this portrait. I’ll give you more
historical and contextualize of this.

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Can you see it, or do I need to make it…

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Yes. If you can make it a little bit bigger that would be great, but if you can’t if you can’t we can see it

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…full screen. Let’s see how to do this.

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Usually it says, oh maybe it’s down here.

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Just looking where. Where should I
find where it says it’s full screen?

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It’s probably in your document.

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Yeah it just says zoom in. Oh I see on the bottom.

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So this is from an aerial site where Danzanravjaa built the portal to Shambhala

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and I’ll tell you everything more, but I just wanted you to see first impressions,

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first photos. This is in the region of Dundgovi, several Gobi principalities

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or you could say provinces,

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which is this one. And as you can see, it is in a very arid area and you will see later why.

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So this is 8 stupas, mark this portal to Shambhala.

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This is one of the the
main gates, main gate to Shambhala.

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I will describe the ritual of pilgrimage
here

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actually to those who come because I will send you guidance, so you can read what we are going to do

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when we arrive there.

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This is called (?) which feels all symbolic which I will explain

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where people come and they sing the (?) song to emptiness and make prayers for rebirth in Shambhala.

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This is where you enter the
portal. This is the road to Shambhala.

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Beautiful.

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Okay I can just exit now, But
now you will… okay, I’ll stop there.

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Perfect thank you.

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And I think there are many stories to
be told about this, and I’ll save it

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when, because one hour is not enough to cover everything,

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But you will be hearing when you come to Mongolia

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So where was I…so Danzanravjaa’s connection with the Kalachakra tantra began in his years

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when he received the Kalachakra teachings and initiation

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from the Mongolian Kalachakra master in inner Mongolia.

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D….? is a Mongolian pronunciation of Kalachakra who took to (?).

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Later, from the also very famous Ch..?… Khutukhtu, who Rinpoche knows about him.

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In 827 also, in inner Mongolia so that

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so it’s interesting that nothing was at that time, was happening in terms of initiation in outer Mongolia itself.

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So it is in the later years that he developed a special interest in the Kalachakra teachings in Shambhala

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and according to his autobiography and oral histories

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Danzanravjaa was often troubled by disturbing visions and dreams about times of social perils

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and the great battle between the inimical barbarian forces and the army of Shambhala.

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So 827 after he received the second Kalachakra initiation

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Danzanravjaa recorded in his biography prophecy that he received in his vision

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and the prophecy said that the great Tibetan siddha, Lhomdon(?) Rinpoche will sit in the royal throne of Shambhala and

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at the time he done Danzanravjaa will establish the Kalachakra monastic college in Mongolia.

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So in the 83 Danzanravjaa wrote again about another prophetic vision he received.

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In that vision he was told that in the future time

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when Panchen Lama becomes the king of Shambhala and when

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many enlightened beings, military commanders and officers will wage war against

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these enemies of the Dharma. He, Danzanravjaa will be reborn there as a commander

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in the military of Raudra Chakrin, leading the army consisting of the holy ones

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ministers of (?), accompanied by the armies.

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And in another text called “Teachings
of the Precious (?)”

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That was his popular name, Danzanravjaa wrote yet again about the prophetic dream he had on the 5 days

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of the first months of 854, in which he had visited the six destinations of cyclic existence.

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And so Shambhala is a sacred place where the Buddhas and Bodhisattvas stage Dharma

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In the dream he also received another prediction, or prophecy which said that when the Panchen Lama

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becomes the Chakravarti called the Raudra Chakrin of this prophesized King of Shambhala. Then

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..?..panita will become a king named Suchandra who lead the mongols

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and the (?) will arrive in the form
of Vajrapani and at that time when

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Raudra Kulki will teach in the Northern Shambhala.

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Then the Tsongkhapa will arrive in in this realm and disseminate the Buddha’s teachings

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like the sun in the 2 sections of Jambudvipa.

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And this matter was clearly, he said, prophesied by Buddha Shakyamuni.

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Danzanravjaa had close relations to Panchen Lama

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who visited and consecrated the site that you just saw.

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The (?) building is this portal to Shambhala and this is one comes to pray,

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to meditate on Kalachakra’s aspirational prayers and to purify oneself

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in order to prepare oneself for the times of crisis that I would have to solve,

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considering there will be time of social political crisis, and then those who come there

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they will be somehow protected and saved.

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One of the reasons Danzanravjaa particularly selected this site was because he had a vision

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of celestial Shambhala of Sukhavati. There are many Sukhavatis of Amitabha,

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of Omoghasiddhi, Akshobya sorry.

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Medicine Buddha. But there is also Sukhavati as Shambhala. That’s how he saw this vision

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and he painted it, then made this consecrated site and build.

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So according to oral accounts, when Danzanravjaa visited Shambhala in his deep meditative state

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he requested the King of Shambhala to grant him a connection with the Shambhala lineage.

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And after that he dedicated the remaining 2 years of his life to maintaining that connections.

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And then since then, every year on September 8, and , his monastery, which is nearby there and we will visit,

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has been holding prayers for Shambhala with the conviction that aspiration prayers for Shambhala

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that are made there, on those particular days are being recorded in Shambhala

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due to the power of Danzanravjaas previous prayers.

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So for this reason then from 885 until the
suppression of religious freedom in the mid- 93 ‘s

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aspirational prayers for Shambhala were regularly performed

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at this monastery called Khamriin khiid (?) on those particular days

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and after the reconstruction of the monastery and this Shambhala portal, then again

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the same renewed practice continues
to be performed every year in this monastery.

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In 854 two years before his death he
again had some disturbing prophetic vision

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including the premonition of his impending
death. And on account of the dream, he believed

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it was necessary to quickly construct the temple surrounded by a complex of 8 stupas

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in that sacred site, which was consecrated previously by Panchen Lama.

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And it was there right, that he saw that vision of Shambhala is a Sukhavati

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And so the portal was also envisioned as a pilgrimage site and so the entire pilgrimage in a way is recall

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you could say like a reconstruction of rebirth in Shambhala. Of the journey in Shambhala.

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everything one does there,
becomes symbolic of that.

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Then shortly after his death in 24 days the
construction of the temple

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which housed the three dimensional Kalachakra mandala which was destroyed in that site during cultural revolution

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and has not yet been rebuilt and that wall
of 8 white stupas

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symbolizing the ring of snow-capped mountains surrounding the land of Shambhala.

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The gates of the three sides of the stupa wall that you saw in this large (kora?), and this is where prayers are to be made.

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In the early 2 th century, now 7 years right, after all the structures at the site were demolished

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then all these gates were built again and this
became very popular site

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Buddhists come, tourists, all kind of people, Mongolians come.

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Some of them lie down on the ground and rub their neck against

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hoping to receive some blessings. They believe that’s a power spot right.

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but Danzanravjaa was only one of many Mongolian lamas who sought to bring their home

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regions and monasteries into the Shambhala
lineage. Excuse me, I just get this.

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It’s very dry here.

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And so they also you know, saw this connection with that. They have a connection to the Shakya clan

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you know, Shukyamuni Buddha. Because according to even some Tibetan but also Mongolian

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accounts, traditional accounts it is that it was a member of a Shakya clan, of a Buddhist clan who went

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into that place land of Shambhas and established brought the relic of Buddha and established Shambhala.

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But among these lamas and noblemen who were seeking refuge

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where there was a hereditary prince saint laurent
han by name namasuren who had a prominent role

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in mongolian independence movement from the
qing and who later served as a prime minister

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of the jet ambassadors bukhtan state for about
four years according to oral accounts he succeeded

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in bringing his territory into the shambhala
lineage owing to the assistance of the ed vogjetsu

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number who was supposedly in the possession
of a ring with a magical stone called there

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and the stone is said to have been originally
brought from utah mountain by the fourth jet sunda

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and its power is believed to be such that by
merely holding the ring one was able to transform

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one herself into the king in 24- desire and so
then by the means of the trink the eight jetson

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manifested himself the story says in the form
of a king of shambhala in the presence of the

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gatekeeper of shambhala and basically told
him get commanded the gatekeeper to grant

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this nobleman inclusion into the shambhala millage
and it is said that for that purpose then this

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ceno young han made many offerings and gained
to chaturdumba and gained great merit and it is

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said that due to establishing this connection
with the shambhala lineage and the noble hands

:26:36.56 , :26:44.48
territory never had any debt in the time when all
other terrorist territories experiencing great

:26:45.68 , :26:5 .84
economic problems after the qings
left so the eighth jet sudha

:26:56. , :26:57.44
at the request of this

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and the prayer expresses this desire and
aspiration to enter the companionship with

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the kalki raudra chakri at the time of a
great war against these barbarian forces

:27: 5. 2 , :27: 9.44
yesterday please repeat where he got
the ring from where the ring came from

:27: 9.44 , :27:25. 4
so the ring came from to say that it
was brought by the fourth jet number

:27:25. 4 , :27:3 .44
uh from the uttarshan mountain which is one
of the also important pilgrimage size for my

:27:32.32 , :27:4 .56
site for mahayana buddhists and where also
mongols would go into for pilgrimage as well

:27:44. 8 , :27:5 .36
now the social and political changes in the early
2 th century mongolia that led to the struggle you

:27:5 .36 , :27:58.96
know not only for liberation from the qing but
also struggle against the han mashing warlords

:27:58.96 , :28: 6.32
and also bolsheviks and revolutionary formation
of the revolutionary government in mongolia

:28: 7.84 , :28: 5.84
all that period was perceived by mongolian
buddhists as a threat to the traditional mongolian

:28: 6.72 , :28:26.64
way of life and buddhist way of life so the
perceived danger gave rise to strong incentive

:28:26.64 , :28:35.28
for the increased production of these aspirational
prayers rituals power practices for shambhala

:28:35.28 , :28:4 . 4
kala chakra guru yoga texts eulogies
to the kalki kings of shambhala

:28:4 . 4 , :28:5 .52
ritual manuals and it just this array of texts
were just bringing um up from during these periods

:28:53.68 , :28:58.24
but this was also a period of gradual
and steady secularization of society

:28:58.24 , :29: 3.52
under this you know communist ideal ideology which

:29: 5.28 , :29: 2.32
kind of propagating the buddhism is under
unrealistic cruel deceptive without future

:29: 2.32 , :29:24.56
and so on and so in the mid 93 s you know most
monasteries were destroyed in mongolia and this

:29:24.56 , :29:37. 4
was began to be persecution of monks imprisonments
secular secularization of monks by force right and

:29:38.88 , :29:48.64
amongst imprisonment killing and so
on all of this kind of um uh gave rise

:29:49.76 , :29:57.68
to this strong desire for rivers in shambhala
and not to be reborn again in this very

:29:58.4 , :3 : 8.24
turbulent social time during the communist parties
when when the monks were facing execution by

:3 : 9. 4 , :3 :2 .84
the firing squad one llama by name picture paulden
then composed the short poor practice for monks

:3 :2 .84 , :3 :3 .96
who then were recited few minutes or a minute
or so before they were shot to death and it read

:3 :3 .96 , :3 :38.8
from now onward may i achieve the fine body in
shambhala the celestial realm of khasar panadweep

:3 :4 .24 , :3 :47.2
is vajrapani’s place right and when my various
appearances arise may i attain the power of

:3 :47.2 , :3 :54.24
being pierced by the sword of laws sword of
wisdom and this is what monks were recited

:3 :55.44 , :3 : . 4
with hope that this prayer will lead them
directly into new ribbons in shambhala

:3 : 3.36 , :3 : 8.96
at the dawn of the revolutionary period when
young mongolian revolutionaries promised to

:3 : 8.96 , :3 : 6.32
restore the state and religion in mongolia and
when buddhism and communist ideology had not

:3 : 6.32 , :3 :24. 6
yet come into direct conflict shambhala is
an idealized world became a symbol of a new

:3 :24. 6 , :3 :3 .88
social reality among mongolian revolutionary young
revolutionaries promoted their efforts against the

:3 :3 .88 , :3 :4 . 6
chinese republican army in who occupied mongolia’s
capital in 9 9 is a religious fight for shambhala

:3 :4 . 6 , :3 :48.24
for them shambhala was a metaphor for a free
mongolian society and for this kind of heroic

:3 :48.24 , :3 :58.64
national future but how did mongols perceive
shambhala that’s interesting when i spoke with

:3 :59.6 , :32: 7.68
kendri rinpoche said based on his own
experiences in meditation and analysis and so on

:32: 8.64 , :32: 6.56
he says shambhala is really like a mental place
and then of course there are those who claim that

:32: 6.56 , :32:22.64
shambhala is terrestrial place a geographical
macau right somewhere around this jungle

:32:23.84 , :32:33.92
in our cosmic system considering that it
this consists of 9 million villages uh how

:32:33.92 , :32:39.6
where would that be right this religion not
just villages they’re more like towns so um

:32:4 .24 , :32:47.76
even his holiness says it must be on some other
plane it’s not on this planet however when we

:32:47.76 , :32:55.84
look at mongolian writings and i check different
kind of genre of literature you could say that

:32:57.92 , :33: 5.52
in their view mongolia is all of three
mongolia is a physical place terrestrial place

:33: 5.52 , :33: 9.52
it is a celestial soccerity and this is a state of

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mind and that and you get an impression that
that shambhala can be in all of these three

:33: 7.68 , :33:25. 4
at the same time that it all depends on
the perception of individual which is then

:33:27.36 , :33:37.68
dependent on the levels of mental obscurations
that while some may see shambhala as a physical

:33:37.68 , :33:45.84
place either as a celestial and yet some
will experience it as a state of the mind

:33:47.44 , :33:55.44
so for some goalies it was a physical place not
very far from mongolia because it’s always in the

:33:55.44 , :34: 2.24
writings of shambhala including even chakra tantra
itself it says it is a northern shambhala in the

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north right in the northern section of jambudvipa
so then mongolias believe that it is right closed

:34: .48 , :34: 7.36
and so there were llamas who claimed that they
actually went to shambhala and they brought many

:34: 7.36 , :34:24. 8
stories and even legend how they went there
and some said that they came and they brought

:34:25.44 , :34:3 .44
certain items with magical
powers like a piece of um

:34:32.96 , :34:38.56
you not christopher cherry how you
say um what’s the english word um

:34:4 .56 , :34:46.56
you know like from a tree when you take
and then not the crust what do you say bach

:34:49.44 , :34:58. 8
such a common word yeah like from a bark
of a tree could um um you could peel it

:34:58. 8 , :35: 5.6
and water yogurt image always shows up or
they brought like a jewel red jewel from um

:35: 8.24 , :35: 5.92
from a kind of a crown of a maga and so on
so you and also in among the buryat mongols

:35: 5.92 , :35:28. 8
there are stories like this that shambhala is also
next door basically to siberia and and so on but

:35:29. 4 , :35:36.88
so you have this kind of descriptions on one hand
on another hand and and these descriptions give us

:35:36.88 , :35:44. 6
very details of how people look like how
what is the layout of the land of shambhala

:35:44. 6 , :35:53.28
how color chakra mandala looks there the palace
of the karaki king you know mountains nature

:35:53.28 , :36: 2.56
what people wear you know how many sermons they
have all of that so on some level it looks like a

:36: 3.76 , :36: 2.8
terrestrial kingdom but kind of more spiritually
advanced kingdom on the other hand when you

:36: 2.8 , :36: 9. 2
read prayers and sourness then you see
that this is something one is to imagine

:36:2 .36 , :36:3 .64
and one is imagining it to create this kind of
karmic connection with rambala so then so that

:36:3 .64 , :36:4 .32
when one dies or at the time when one is ready uh
to enter the shambhala that one already knows what

:36:4 .32 , :36:49.92
to expect kind of one already has in one’s own
mind created the place it knows exactly so we’ll

:36:49.92 , :36:56.64
recognize the place as soon as one israeli
born there you look at how they know i mean

:36:59.36 , :37: .32
so in the

:37: 2.64 , :37: .64
uh there was a mongolian author by name again
who wrote a text called the swift pass to kalapa

:37: .64 , :37: 6.88
the compilation of the layout of shambhala and
ritual offerings to the car keys the dharma

:37: 6.88 , :37:27.28
kings and here if you read dimensions of shambhala
are given in details it is said and that you know

:37:27.28 , :37:35.84
it is a norse kind of um well the
central small jump between there is

:37:43. 2 , :37:5 .72
and then in the west is odiana and in the north is
shambhala and abode of human guitar with hierarchy

:37:5 .36 , :38: . 6
so and i don’t know how much time we have we’ve
got some time so okay so maybe then like a little

:38: . 6 , :38: 8.8
bit speak about it so in this descriptions even
in ones that where one visualizes uh shambhala

:38: 8.8 , :38: 7.28
um it is it is still like within the land of
karma it is a human realm within the land of

:38: 7.28 , :38:25.52
karma it is perfectly secular in this form of
lotus with this you know in its center it’s a

:38:25.52 , :38:35.76
petals the periphery of the lotus is ringed with
a range of snow mountains uh and it’s like a

:38:37.2 , :38:42.88
peta it’s like a petal with sorry lotus
with eight petals so it has this different

:38:43.52 , :38:5 .6
like principalities if you like um and so the
of course all this environment is so beautiful

:38:5 .6 , :39: 3.76
and i won’t bother you with all these um details
and kicking um dwells in this crystal palace and

:39: 3.76 , :39: . 4
on the surfaces of the skylights which you can
see all the realms of gods and what they are

:39: . 4 , :39: 8.96
doing and you have this direct access right
to them and you see planets and stars and

:39:2 .64 , :39:27.84
solar mansions and everything kind
of very clearly right and he he’s

:39:28.48 , :39:36.88
he’s surrounded he’s in these thrones um around
him which are made of multicolored sandalwood

:39:36.88 , :39:47.36
floor pleasant fragrances spread for miles and of
course there are these everything is rich jewelry

:39:47.36 , :39:56. 6
just on him exceed the value of the gold
god indra’s kind of jewelry he’s his body

:39:58.64 , :4 : 9.44
is brilliant it prevails pervades space with
this light and luster and it is difficult to

:4 : 9.44 , :4 : 5.6
bear his magnificent if you are near
him vesna is this the the vision of

:4 : 5.6 , :4 :22.24
the celestial shambhala that you are sharing
that’s a reason that’s what one is imagining

:4 :22.24 , :4 :29.2
visualizing so it’s it’s one is
visualizing and this is also like a

:4 :29.2 , :4 :37.84
both terrestrial and visualized
one which is like a celestial um

:4 :38.4 , :4 :42.56
sukhavati so that’s kind of like it is a pure land

:4 :44.8 , :4 :5 .
you know and in pure land cinema okay
namitha spirulin people are born from

:4 :5 . , :4 :56.64
lotus but in octopias they are born by
mere glancing each others or near touch

:4 :56.64 , :4 : 5.36
somebody is being conceived and so on so
here it’s um similar to that and obviously

:4 : 5.36 , :4 : 2.56
these descriptions why is one visualizing all of
these details in addition to familiarize oneself

:4 : 2.56 , :4 :2 .64
with the shambhala is also to get inspired it
like when face grows one inspiration to grow

:4 :2 .2 , :4 :34.
for reapers there also increases and then one will
be ready to be kind to engage in these practices

:4 :34. , :4 :4 .92
of course there are young whenever a young prince
is born there he’s he’s like this precious radiant

:4 :4 .92 , :4 :49.6
jewel that radiates for seven days and so on
and um there are long descriptions but it’s

:4 :49.6 , :4 :58.8
too much detail so i’ll escape this now again
when we read and we say that and we read that

:4 :58.8 , :42: 5.2
all the kings of shambhala because there are
these minor kings that rule over million

:42: 6.24 , :42: 3.92
villages or towns that they’re all
buddhas and bodhisattvas of the th stage

:42: 5.68 , :42:26. 6
so also when they are kind of referencing
shambhala as a sukhavati is this pure land

:42:26. 6 , :42:34. 8
then the speak of shambhala is being created
by the mind of majirapani just like amitabh

:42:34. 8 , :42:44.8
is his own mind created in the west uh in
the east so the lord of secrets the guardian

:42:44.8 , :42:57.84
of tantra and mahayana teachings right has
with his own mind manifested this shambhala

:42:58.48 , :43: 9.68
now by going back to uh to these symbolizes of
vajrayana place this is where all the mahayana

:43: . 2 , :43: 7. 2
teachings as well as all the highest
yoga tantras being taught in practice

:43: 8. 8 , :43:26. 6
but now going back briefly to this so-called
terrestrial shambhala they say one can go there

:43:26. 6 , :43:32.96
but there are numerous dangers awaiting those
who are journeyed in the present body and

:43:34. 6 , :43:42.88
these dangers are described in panchayat llamas
guide to shambhala in many mongolian texts as well

:43:44.8 , :43:5 . 4
and so this is but they say since reapers in
shambhala seems empirically more attainable

:43:5 . 4 , :43:59.2
and secure due to the power of aspiration and
prayers rituals and sadness then it’s better

:43:59.2 , :44: 7. 2
to pray for ibra than try to go there even one of
the kalki kings of chamberlain his priest when he

:44: 7. 2 , :44: 5.6
was a great bodhisattva in his previous life when
he tried to travel to shambhala that physically

:44: 5.6 , :44:23.52
he couldn’t endure that it is that kind
of difficult that one needs to if you look

:44:23.52 , :44:32.
in these different guides of to shambhala they all
say you know you start in bodhgaya and these are

:44:32. , :44:39.2
treacherous journalism in which you do tremendous
amount of practices it’s a long journey and

:44:4 .44 , :44:46.72
exposure to all kind of danger but
also lots of practices of purification

:44:46.72 , :44:52.64
so again you get a sense you’re kind of
going like inter-terrestrial but in fact

:44:52.64 , :44:57.92
along the way you’re purifying yourself
and when you enter it maybe it’s not that

:44:58.88 , :45: 5.68
physical or that kind of terrestrial anymore it’s
you almost get the sense it’s then more like a

:45: 6.24 , :45: 2. 6
parallel universe if you like are you able
to describe some of the obstacles in a

:45: 2. 6 , :45: 7.84
little bit more detail if you can yeah that
along the way one encountering all kind of

:45: 8.96 , :45:26.48
spirits and entities who are trying to prevent one
but also along the way there are fierce guardians

:45:26.48 , :45:34.32
of shambhala who are not letting you in unless
you have been purified through mental afflictions

:45:34.96 , :45:46.48
um and karmic negativities and so on so but then
also uh like in one place one had to do hundred

:45:46.48 , :45:53.44
thousands times of rituals and pujas to go
this hariti so that when one steps in in the

:45:53.44 , :46: 2.48
next territory will not get small parks you
know then even travels of different countries

:46: 2.48 , :46: 2.
and areas these dangerous people as well so there
are spiritual spirit entities the regardless of

:46: 2. , :46: 8.56
shambhala don’t want you easily to get in and
so on but it’s interesting they also reference

:46: 8.56 , :46:24.88
these merchants who by mistake when they are you
know so that’s kind of interesting how did they

:46:24.88 , :46:33.92
and and they are so they say to be able to travel
to reach shambhala that way you have to be a

:46:33.92 , :46:4 .52
master of vidya mantras you know you need to have
all this extra sensory perception be able to fly

:46:4 .52 , :46:49.92
and you know already have all of these miraculous
powers otherwise like just traveling with the rock

:46:49.92 , :46:55.84
with a backpack and a sleeping bag
will not you got you’ll get nowhere so

:46:58.8 , :47: .32
the first book jets

:47: 4.56 , :47: 2.56
in some of um kind of these histories that
he actually knew how to get to shambhala

:47: 2.56 , :47:2 .36
and that at one occasion two indian yogis traveled
on a carpet flying carpet arrived to mongolia

:47:22. 8 , :47:26.64
and didn’t know where to go from there and then um

:47:3 .44 , :47:4 .24
told them uh how to go and they said well you will
come to this sita river and you don’t touch it

:47:4 .24 , :47:47.44
because the moment you touch it the body part of
body will freeze and fall off so you wait until

:47:47.44 , :47:55.84
this big fish monster fish comes and takes you
across the river so the story says those two came

:47:55.84 , :48: 4.8
and the younger this yogi indian yogi he wanted
to try and he put his finger and the finger fell

:48: 4.8 , :48: .88
off and something happened to him he’s no longer
mentioned like he has never returned maybe he died

:48: .68 , :48: 7.44
but this uh all the yogi comes and reported
and became very afraid deciding not to

:48: 8.4 , :48:28. 6
not to pursue shambhala so that’s why when all
these dangers and risk risks are explained then

:48:28. 6 , :48:34.88
it is said that those who wish to journey to
the entrance of the land of shambhala in this

:48:35.92 , :48:43. 2
lifetime definitely need to accumulate married and
accomplish the dharma of the secret mantra and and

:48:43. 2 , :48:53.28
if it is not accomplished then it is impossible
to travel so after describing various times and

:48:53.28 , :49: .76
dangers that all that the travelers will encounter
encountered along the way then we read about uh

:49: .76 , :49: . 8
that for this reason a journey to to chamberlain
this life should be kind of avoided but

:49: 2.4 , :49:22.
it’s rather to focus on for on rivers in shambhala
but of course we also read of those who saw it who

:49:22. , :49:3 .84
visited it in a dream and where uh we traveled
with us disciples there received some teaching

:49:3 .84 , :49:43.84
witness something then returned back one of the
mongolian great masters of the 9th 2 th century

:49:44.56 , :49:52.32
mind you shira in his were called the dual step
of a fortunate disciple a prayer for definite

:49:52.32 , :49:58.8
rivers in the land of shambhala of the great city
that’s what shambhala is place of a great scene

:5 : . 4 , :5 : 5.44
he talks about it as clearly
as a marvelous pure land

:5 : 6.96 , :5 : 4.48
of wajirapani but one can attain buddhahood
within a single lifetime and in his understanding

:5 : 4.48 , :5 :22.64
shambhala is this tantric sukhavati of the human
realm or he calls this the place of the highest

:5 :22.64 , :5 :3 .72
city the marvelous pure and um and similar
view we find expressed in other mongolian

:5 :3 .72 , :5 :38.24
works like a grand and the surrenders were called
the so if passed to kalapadata of the dimension

:5 :39. 2 , :5 :46.88
and other works that is where uh chandelier
spoken of is a sublime mandala of the earth

:5 :46.88 , :5 :53.84
which is rotated by the wheel of dharma of
the awakened of the guaranteed awakening

:5 :54.4 , :5 : .52
and celebrated by the illusory dance of
the bodhisattvas the sons of genus who are

:5 : .52 , :5 : 7.84
not none other than the seven
dharma kings of and the 25 car keys

:5 : .28 , :5 : 7.36
described in many texts as i already
mentioned as enlightened beings

:5 : 7.36 , :5 :26.64
who have extra sensory perceptions magic powers
inexhaustible wisdom unimpeded mind and so on

:5 :29.84 , :5 :38.72
and they all they’re all rulers as well so the
explicit you could almost say when you surveyed

:5 :38.72 , :5 :46. 6
this literature that explicit references to
shambhala as this pure land of celestial sukhavati

:5 :46.72 , :5 :57.28
appear in this later works 9 and 2 th century
um and then we don’t you know we don’t yet have

:5 :57.28 , :52: 4. 8
all text examined so we so i am not here
giving here definitive statement but based

:52: 4. 8 , :52: 4.4
on so far that i could have found these references
uh quite late but then so we now let’s talk about

:52: 4.96 , :52:2 .28
briefly we still have at least eight minutes
yes you can we have another half an hour but

:52:2 .28 , :52:27.92
we’re hoping to get some questions in as well
um business so um you say what you need to say

:52:27.92 , :52:34.32
and if we can leave some time for questions
that would be great sure so it is in this ex

:52:34.96 , :52:4 .28
there are short power practices in their extensive
proper practices and it is here in these proper

:52:4 .28 , :52:5 .8
practices for reapers in shambhala then where it
is indicated in a way that this is the symbol is

:52:5 .8 , :52:59.28
a state of mind so after bringing to mind what
one does in this practice is energy describe

:52:59.28 , :53: 4.88
only one here because we don’t have time that
after breathing to mind that actually describe

:53: 4.88 , :53: .84
the appearances of shambhala kind of after
one reads she sees images of shambhala arrive

:53: .84 , :53: 9.2
and then generates aspiration for that first one
is to visualize it and then so it’s like a steps

:53:2 .72 , :53:29.36
by this time this visualize shambhala is already
celestial pure land purely mental state right

:53:29.36 , :53:35. 4
because it’s created by the mind it’s now what
you visualize is a reflection of your own mind

:53:35.6 , :53:45.36
it’s no longer just geographic region and so um
this transition from the visualizing shambhala

:53:47.28 , :53:57.2
is as if it is a geographical locale to this
intangible place in the phase of a practice

:53:57.2 , :54: 6.8
marks a move from a move to subtle visual realm of
mental state that bridges the initial first stage

:54: 6.8 , :54: 4.88
of this power practice where one is basically look
uh reading descriptions of shambhala or looking

:54: 4.88 , :54:2 . 2
at the representative artistic representations
of shambhala right that was kind of a gross

:54:2 . 2 , :54:3 .24
perception now it’s somewhat subtle perception
by looking through that image and so but in this

:54:3 .24 , :54:4 .52
also visualization one is to imagine oneself in
front of the kings of shambhala paying them homage

:54:44. 8 , :54:53.44
sometimes bathing them then dress massaging them
with oil dressing them praising them making them

:54:53.44 , :55: .56
offerings you know it’s a long visualization
so that one is visualizing not only place where

:55: .56 , :55: 8.64
where one will be but one is also already
visualizing what will he do or she would do one

:55: 8.64 , :55: 6.
day once they’re there right and find themselves
in the presence of these king cow keys and so on

:55: 9.36 , :55:26.24
and so after visually constructing this
otherworldly shamana shambhala then one is to

:55:28. 8 , :55:35.68
imaginatively act as a said act in the
sacred space by creating all of these

:55:37. 2 , :55:46.56
activists activities but then in the subsequent
core proper practice the visualization culminates

:55:46.56 , :55:56.48
in the subtle test in the most subtle image in a
light at the heart in a symbolic representation

:55:56.48 , :56: 4. 6
of one’s prana mind that will rise in the border
state and lead to the direct to the direction

:56: 4.96 , :56: .36
of shambhala and death when the clear light of
death appears along with the dissolution of the

:56: .36 , :56: 9. 4
four gla great elements then steering on the
subtle mind with prana for ibra of shambhala

:56: 9. 4 , :56:27. 4
occurs immediately followed by the dissolution of
this light of clear light and then as soon as a

:56:27. 4 , :56:34.96
bardo being for shambhala is foreign then white
light appears in the direction of shambhala in the

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northern direction and following the direction
of that white light without fear exhaustion or

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shock the bird of beings and reaches the land
of this majestic shambhala in a single moment

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but to come to that one has to visualize than
oneself one’s own body is a transparent crystal

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and visualizes the central channel and on the
top of the central channel there is a symbol

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that represents already this mind of shama
i feel like this right is a state of mind

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and so um this um so it appears that by
imaginatively perceiving itself as a special realm

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of light that subtle mind family familiarizes
itself with with its eventual appearance in the

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bardo state in which it can realize that shambhala
is nothing other than its own inner light

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so does the understanding is that every appearance

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i would say an experience of shambhala
where the geographical place in our real

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world or is purely mental is contingent on the
subtlety of the mind that perceive it and so

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in the context of the power practice these discus
modes of visual perception imaginative recreation

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and familiarizations recollection are the
means of generating incrementally new and

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subtle levels of awareness so whether terrestrial
celestial or internal in mongolian writing the

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requirements necessary for realizing shambhala are
reminiscent of those in the pure land practices

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three main conditions must be met
for guaranteed rebels in shambhala

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one is the accumulation of merit and knowledge
gnosis purification of the obstacles of sin

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and the third has to be a wishful generation
of wishful prayer or aspiration to be there

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without it you won’t be born there you won’t
realize shambhala you have to have this connect

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this kind of a connection right
same as when one prays to amitabha

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to take him and be liberal in his fearland so
the vicious prayers must be of the four types

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a prayer for the connection with the with
the structure and composition of the land

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accompanied by saddam on the land of shambhala
that’s why are those visualizations that’s why

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those descriptions right then prayer
for being conceived in shambhala

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a prayer for encountering raud rakalke the
king of shambhala there in a prayer for his

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prayer for listening to his teachings and
a prayer for achieving enlightenment there

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and then one who practices in this way is
promised to reach shambhala in a single moment so

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so we have this right inwardly oriented and
outwardly oriented practices that will create

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these different levels of the mind and give
us different perceptions of what how shambhala

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is understood or talked about or how it can be
realized but you know there’s so much more and i

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see it’s already seven right you told me one hour
and then we have questions and answers and maybe

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i can always add something in question and
answers beautiful thank you so much um vesna

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um if anyone has any questions can you
please pop it in the q a section of the chat

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and i will look at those so i have a
couple already vestner if you are ready

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can you talk a little bit more about the magical
ring of jetson dumper and that allowed him to

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travel to shambala does the ring still exist we
don’t know and maybe it is because there are many

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treasures like this that are kept in special
kind of places within let’s say gandalf monastery

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that are never shown that that are never so to
others um that are considered sometimes it’s

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a relics i was told of course never saw that
there was in one of these temples or colleges

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in ghana monasteries that there is even a rib
of the pankara buddha relic which looks like a

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transparent crystal but it’s a rib you know so
maybe that ring is somewhere held as a treasury

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and it’s not look so i myself have never seen
it or i don’t know anyone who has seen it so i

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can’t say it anymore but you know this stone it’s
called the uh and in tibetan as well so right i

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mean there are lots of the fake ones that you know
you can find in the police tourist shops and so on

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but the authentic ones are very rare to find and
supposedly that’s how story says it went thank you

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can you please elaborate a little
m more on the jhana values no

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there is at least in the color chakra system
oh it says alex’s uh question uh i have not

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heard of jinyana or heard of that there is i i
don’t know if he’s if alex is referring to uh

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this mind value because my this mind why is
still not awakened mind that’s why it has

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volume means wind right so um it’s still not the
wind but there is this consciousness right that

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that still has some wind that enters
let’s say shambhala but then there

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when one achieves enlightenment we don’t know
whether that mind will still be there or just

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is pure awareness i yeah but i never heard of
that term in the karma chakra tantra itself

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thank you so i see can you talk a little
bit more about vajrapani’s connection

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to color chakra yeah that’s already in
imala prabha this demonstrate commentary

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one of which is the oldest and most
authoritative commentary on kala chakra

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tantra mentioned uh that it is vajrapani who
who was who was told by the buddha right to

: 4:34. 6 , : 4:4 . 2
be one to guards all the mahayana and all
the teachings and all the tantras and so

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in mongolia what japan is of course very important
just like india is considered to be the land of

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chenrezig and china is a land of manjushri so
is mongolia considered to be the land of ajrpani

: 4:59. 4 , : 5: 5.36
and but we find it even in ropa’s
writings on kala chakra that

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that land of shambhala is created by the
mind of majirapani and that you see chandra

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chandra was was but anyway future um car key will
be again emanation for japanese the 24th so you

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know we have emanations of manjushris but you
know like yashas in shambhala but we have also

: 5:34.96 , : 5:42.
chandra as a nation of hyderabadi as well so
that’s a strong connection between these two

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thank you right and then let’s see how far is
the shambhala site from erdenzu it’s quite far

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from eden zoo because urban zoo is about i don’t
know depends on the road and a car or one goes but

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could be seven hours by jeep so it would be maybe
4 hours right from elden zoo but it’s closer

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to lombard so from mulan batter by car if you want
to take a little break in between it could be six

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to let’s say six hours if you don’t want all to
go at once but there is also a train that goes

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you know and it’s a longer longer journey and and
all you see is just the desert so i i suggest a

: 6:52.88 , : 6:58.8
if we want to help people on earth uh is there
still a valid motivation for seeking rebirth in

: 6:58.8 , : 7: 7. 2
shambhala aside from achieving the mental
state of mental state realization yeah so

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it’s not like oh everyone has to go to special
location necessarily to do it it’s only that

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you know in in this mongolian constitution who
felt uh such as again such a strong connection

: 7:24.32 , : 7:3 .88
uh to shambhala and it’s connected of course
to prophecies that he said this is a power

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spot this is where that vision appears and
this is where this place should be built

: 7:37.52 , : 7:46.8
um but what was it going to say i one year when
i was traveling by group of visitors at uh there

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and we encountered the terrible um sandstorm
on that way but once we entered that

: 7:58.96 , : 8: 7.44
place immediately stopped there was not a
single uh not even a breeze sky was blue again

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and it was tremendously peaceful
uh you know you can hear many

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in incidents and stories and experiences
that some people had one of the

: 8:2 .76 , : 8:29.84
custodians of denzen ravja who unfortunately
passed away told me that his brother who was a

: 8:32.48 , : 8:4 .56
nomad not particularly educated man once spent
the night there and yes yes we were told you

: 8:4 .56 , : 8:47.52
never to spend the money there because it’s a very
powerful place and it can cause lots of confusions

: 8:47.52 , : 8:57.2
uh and uh if you’re not ready don’t
go at night but he says his brother

: 8:58.64 , : 9: 5.84
stayed there i don’t know maybe he had camels
outside something like this and that he was

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looking after that in the morning he wandered
off completely lost in the desert and they took

: 9: 5.92 , : 9:24. 8
a long time for them to find him and they were
very worried because you can get lost especially

: 9:24. 8 , : 9:32.24
without water and they found you know we found
him after i don’t know one day or so and they ask

: 9:32.24 , : 9:39.76
him how did you manage without water maybe it was
more than one day and he said some old man showed

: 9:39.76 , : 9:48.32
up and gave me water strange but then they said
he said he started to recite beautiful poetry

: 9:5 .32 , : 9:57.28
he never resided poetry or composing composing
poetry but suddenly like it was like this

: 9:57.28 , : : 4.72
river pointer coming out of him so there
are you know stories like that about uh

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this power thought so that like this is something
special you create the power you create connection

: : 5.68 , : :24.
not only like with um this place but like
because i’ve just said this is where he will be

: :24. , : :29.2
born in next life so to his students and
disciples he said you want to meet me

: :29.2 , : :32.4
you need to meet come to somewhere
that’s where i wait for you

: :34. , : :4 .64
and i will describe once we’re there everything
you need to do how process of purification takes

: :4 .64 , : :49.52
place and every input can lead everybody
to meditation so prayer for representation

: :5 .84 , : :59.44
okay uh back to the location vesna um what
is uh the location of the shambhala portal

: :59.44 , : : 4. 8
shown in the photo can you talk a
little bit more about it yes it is

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it’s very sound you know in the south you have

: : 3. 2 , : :24.
three gobbies don govi don govi and southern garbe
so this is in the don gori district um you saw the

: :24. , : :29.2
place home mainly looks likes but it’s
that particular region it has a lot of

: :3 . 6 , : :4 .64
red copper kind of colored stones when once we are
there we will also visit meditation caves which

: :4 .64 , : :48. 8
are 2 minutes away from there but also ravja
used to go and meditate and when you sit inside

: :49.36 , : :54.96
in some of those caves especially one day
when raja meditated and you look out into

: :54.96 , : 2: .44
this expanse place where soil changes its colors
you forget you’re on this planet you think you’re

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on a mars or some other you know uh planet for
sure and this is said where ravja used to go but

: 2: .48 , : 2: 7.6
also other llamas of that region but he would
go there and he would have his disciple close

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completely cave with stone so he would
be doing a kind of night retreat there

: 2:28. 8 , : 2:36.88
and sometimes it was there that he would from the
elements in space he would create these visions

: 2:36.88 , : 2:43.68
he would bring these visions into manifestation
somehow but llamas used to go there to do their

: 2:43.68 , : 2:5 .92
regular retreats and they would usually then
somebody like people would come on a camel

: 2:52.64 , : 2:58.96
or i don’t know who you don’t see really horses
there but mainly camels and uh bring them a

: 2:58.96 , : 3: 7.68
tea there was a little hole in the roof and
that’s how they would do the retreats there

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uh but um also we when we’re there we will
also visit holy site mountain holy mountain

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where it is said uh that is that is inhabited
by the one of previous ravages incarnations uh

: 3:33.2 , : 3:38.8
and there are many stories about
that that you will also hear

: 3:42.8 , : 3:5 . 8
also some miraculous appearances and things like
that and but all of these visits are the sites

: 3:5 . 8 , : 3:58.24
of kind of purification burning ones kind of
since confessing on a paper one writes one

: 4: .96 , : 4: 5.6
like what one remembers right
and then writes them down

: 4: 5.6 , : 4: .76
then put them in the prettiest belly
in one of these you will see stones

: 4: 2.4 , : 4:22.8
inside the shambhala place and brundala so fizzy
pretty but brazil seems beautiful thank you

: 4:25.44 , : 4:35.36
you mentioned earlier that uh um shambhala is
a state of vajrapani’s mind in mongolia or is

: 4:35.36 , : 4:42.32
that is that just in mongolian view or is that a
universal view you find it in index source like in

: 4:42.32 , : 4:5 .28
naropa’s text um not this one but yeah in another
one yeah where it says it was created by madrid

: 4:52.24 , : 5: . 8
you know same same as with all other pure parents
they all said to be they come out of aspirations

: 5: .8 , : 5: 9.28
that bodhisattvas had one day may i create
this pure land in in which then everything

: 5: 9.28 , : 5: 7.84
is prepared and made to be conducive to achieving
enlightenment safely and once one is already in

: 5: 7.84 , : 5:23.84
in a pure land in let’s say in shambhala
it says one can travel to other pure lands

: 5:25. 4 , : 5:3 .28
one is not stuck in just in one one can go
and visit amitabha’s pure land and so on and

: 5:3 .28 , : 5:44.24
it is said that at the time of a big shambhala
war that nagarjuna and tongkapa who are now in

: 5:45.84 , : 5:49.76
according to mango some of mongolian
sources they are now in shambhala

: 5:5 .96 , : 5:58.88
and they will descend in they will descend their
relics they will take those relics that are still

: 5:58.88 , : 6: 6.8
here and manifest them with their bodies and then
after the but so they will come actually after the

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battle and then they promulgate again the dharma
mahayana teachings okay vesna you mentioned that

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from shambhala you can travel to other pure lands
is this solely from shambhala that you can do this

: 6:24.48 , : 6:3 .2
from from the sukhavati from celeste
there was no mention much about

: 6:3 .92 , : 6:4 .68
you can do this terrestrial or not no evidence
of that okay but from the celestial right you can

: 6:4 .68 , : 6:47.84
because that’s a pure land now now you once you’re
in any pure land you can go and visit others

: 6:5 .24 , : 6:56.96
thank you um there’s no this is
probably more of your opinion

: 6:56.96 , : 7: 4.32
but your general impression of the character
of the mongolian oh i go for 2 years

: 7: 6. 8 , : 7: 5.52
you know for reason not only because to do my
research but also to be with people and you know

: 7: 5.52 , : 7:2 . 2
these years i developed so many
friendships which are very deep and um

: 7:22.56 , : 7:34.8
how to describe them they’re proud people
uh they have this strong uh hero kind of

: 7:34.8 , : 7:42.64
there is this narrative of heroic nation uh
you know the sons and daughters of ching ishan

: 7:43.2 , : 7:5 . 2
for mongolians for some mongolians right
ching is khan was emanation of ajrapani

: 7:52. 6 , : 8: 4.
that’s why he will be in raudra chakri’s military
there right as well um he they’re generous and

: 8: 4. , : 8: .84
kind people uh something that i think everybody
who visited mongolia even if they had some

: 8: 2.56 , : 8: 9.2
bad experiences their iphone was stolen while
it was stolen you know or they got sick although

: 8:2 . 8 , : 8:26.56
it’s much easier to stay healthy in mongolia
than if you go to india for us who who haven’t

: 8:27.44 , : 8:29.44
lived there for a long time in india

: 8:3 .52 , : 8:37.52
and that by the time they’re sitting in airplane
leaving they’re already talking about they want

: 8:37.52 , : 8:45.44
to come back uh it’s it’s very interesting
and it’s because um people are very accepting

: 8:46.4 , : 8:52.72
you know you can be a little bit eccentric and
cuckoo and you can be kind of things somehow you

: 8:52.72 , : 9: .52
fit there you don’t feel strange you know which
is also very wonderful they’re all extremely

: 9: .52 , : 9: .24
talented i have never encountered the nation
country where there is some you know there’s

: 9: 2.64 , : 9:2 . 6
about three million people uh but
they are so so many artists so many

: 9:2 . 6 , : 9:29.52
composer poets singers unbelievable like everybody
you know so that’s also beautiful uh side i think

: 9:29.52 , : 9:38.48
that that in addition to this kind of warrior
little bit mentality you have also this very

: 9:4 .36 , : 9:52.8
gentle and kind and warm side beautiful
explanation thank you thank you

: 9:53.76 , :2 : .92
uh we’ll take a couple more um how would people
best prepare for the pilgrimage vessel from your

:2 : 3.84 , :2 : .28
think that you should ask this question during
culture i’m sure in Portuguese uh i have you

:2 : .28 , :2 :2 .96
know uh already now what people can do right uh
i guess just um i think Rinpoche suggested to uh

:2 :2 .96 , :2 :29.68
Vajrasattva practices right that’s what one of the
messages i received that was being sent um also um

:2 :3 .6 , :2 :35.52
in the text the drink what you
shared right you can already do

:2 :35.52 , :2 :44.8
some prayers for libras in Shambhala if
that’s what what you are drawn to and um yeah

:2 :47.92 , :2 :56.64
is always helpful and then I’m sure Rinpoche
will give more guidance as well so um

:2 :58. 8 , :2 : 3.76
something that you really like as we travel when
we leave the city you know cities like every

:2 : 3.76 , :2 : 2.88
city it’s kind of um but uh when you leave
this city you are in this expanse of nature

:2 : 3.44 , :2 :25.92
where uninhibited uh where you you see the your
mind expands and nothing is blocking there so

:2 :26.56 , :2 :32.96
you see earth’s element and you see space and
land and nothing all right unless you go far

:2 :34. 8 , :2 :39.2
far in the west where you have mountains
you know very high mountains then you get

:2 :39.2 , :2 :5 .6
a very different feel but most of places you will
travel it’s it’s like that and on unpolluted not

:2 :54.32 , :2 :57.92
you know very few people you
see in the distance in ahmad

:2 :57.92 , :22: 4.48
with his sheep and goats on a horse
and in the countryside people are

:22: 4.48 , :22: .72
very warm very welcoming as you know i saw in
the last several years before Covid of course

:22: 3.28 , :22:2 . 6
Europeans traveling with bicycles on through
Mongolia you know just carrying a tent and

:22:2 . 6 , :22:27. 4
sometimes they just come to people’s homes
youths you know they call them girls tents

:22:27. 4 , :22:34. 6
and they offer a meal they’re allowed to sleep
there you know and then they move on so um

:22:37.28 , :22:42. 6
it should be like it should be wonderful
experience and as i understand initiation will

:22:42. 6 , :22:48.96
be in is initiation going to be in a national
park or somewhere else um we’re doing the

:22:48.96 , :22:55. 2
uh kalachakra initiation in the national park
yeah it’s gorgeous there and there are also

:22:56. , :23: 4.4
temples to visit uh i’m sure we will find a
way somehow either before or after initiation

:23: 4.4 , :23: 3.52
to visit our academy temple and it’s a beautiful
place to to visit and it’s not far from the city

:23: 3.52 , :23:2 .44
it’s about two hours maybe two and a half i assume
by bus and it will be beautiful place to have

:23:2 .44 , :23:29.44
initiation without the noise of the cities because
all the you know the biggest monastery a gundam is

:23:29.44 , :23:35.52
in the city right down almost like downtown you
know so it’s like a smaller asses of peace but

:23:35.52 , :23:43.76
you step one meter everything you are in the noise
of a city and this will be a beautiful place and i

:23:43.76 , :23:53.6
think it will be special experience also in agabe
you will you’ll see this big stupa all the uh

:23:53.6 , :24: .28
different emanations upon masamba with the color
chakra in the center we’ll visit also kalachakra

:24: .28 , :24: 9.76
smallhold chakra temple in a gander monastery
and i think there is much to see and experience

:24: 2.24 , :24:2 .92
so you have to bring clothes for warm and hot so
and cold because now in the countryside evenings

:24:2 .92 , :24:28.56
and nights can be quite chilly so you need a
jacket but the days are very warm and pleasant

:24:29.52 , :24:33.36
and of course gobby can be very
hot but august shouldn’t be too bad

:24:35.36 , :24:4 .96
thank you uh one more one last question for
you vesna then we’ll finish up for the day

:24:4 .96 , :24:48.4
so um uh can we ask your view on the timing
of the war between Shambhala and the east

:24:49.84 , :24:58.32
oh prophecy it’s hard to well the text
would say right 4 what 227 years or so

:24:58.32 , :25: 4.8
and terrible and dyslexic with numbers that’s why
i always met uh but it’s something like this uh

:25: 5.6 , :25: 2.72
so according also to these prophecies in 2 47
new king of Shambhala is coming to the throne

:25: 4. 8 , :25: 7.92
not yet the 24th but you know with prophecies

:25:2 .24 , :25:27.68
they can change every day in a way because
if events in the future depend on the karma

:25:28.24 , :25:36.4
collective karma sentient beings then you can’t
you know hold on to it uh very strictly and i

:25:36.4 , :25:48.24
think Rinpoche himself mentioned right that it
can come sooner or later it depends on aspirations

:25:49.76 , :25:54.24
and practices and sentient
beings and collective karma

:25:56.8 , :26: 6.48
thank you i think that is uh the questions that
we have today thank you versa um i firstly just

:26: 6.48 , :26: .2
want to say thank you very much for your
time today it’s been really inspirational

:26: .2 , :26: 8.56
um it’s a pleasure having you here and we’re
very grateful um and really look forward to

:26: 8.56 , :26:23.92
anyone that is coming on the tour um having your
wisdom and knowledge and just your beautiful

:26:23.92 , :26:3 .68
heart there with us so thank you so much yes
for everything you are doing in the doctrine

:26:32.8 , :26:39.68
center there because i hear it’s a lot of work
and and you are doing it kind of in the distance

:26:4 .32 , :26:49.6
um you know not having Rinpoche around so i hope
he will be able soon to join you and uh because

:26:49.6 , :26:56.8
things may be a little bit easier than for you
too and also wonderful that you’re organizing

:26:56.8 , :27: 5. 4
this event and that so many people already uh
have um signed up for it and I’m sure there

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will be also interesting Mongolians there who
will join and it will be a wonderful experience

:27: 3. 2 , :27: 9.84
thank you again so much Vestner and thank you
everyone for joining today wish you success

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okay bye